Dungeon Run: The Question
Chapter: Comics, Season Five
UPDATE FOR MONDAY: I am spending the weekend with my girlfriend (we’re in a long-distance thing at the moment). So no comic today but I will make it up later this week. Thanks for your patience, everyone.
Hover-Text: Eat some tacos this weekend. You weren’t planning on it but now you will be thinking about tacos. Tacos. Delicious tacos.
I always plan on having tacos. But I live in Arizona, sooooooo it’s just part of the culture.
Actually I want to make Italian sausage sandwiches with bell peppers and onions covered in provolone cheese on sourdough Italian rolls….
The few times I’ve done tacos the shells have broken while I was filling them, so I’ll give them a miss. Personally I’m making slow-roasted Chinese belly pork with stir-fried vegetables, spiced noodles and steamed prawn wontons 🙂
Soft tacos man, soft tacos. They are the solution to all the broken-shell woes (and much more tasty, if I do say so myself).
I don’t know if soft taco’s are readily available here in England (this is the first time I’ve heard of them) but I’ll certainly see if I can find some and give them a whirl 🙂
Do you have access to flour tortillas? Because that’s all they are, substitute the flour tortilla for the standard taco shell.
Either flour or soft corn tortillas. Sure, the latter might tear some, but only if you let them get too warm and/or soak up too much meaty goodness from the filling. That’s why a restaurant chain here in the states does their “street tacos” (a.k.a. tacos al carbon) with two corn tortillas. It really does make a difference, and they just seem to taste better than store-bought flour ones. (Home-made ones are another story entirely.)
For one reason or another, whenever my family does home made tacos . . . it’s on pita bread. Have no idea why.
You will want tortillas, which are most often used for burritos, but will come in smaller ‘taco’ size as well. If you can get them, corn tortillas are best. If you do seasoned chunks of beef, a bit of sauce/salsa, and maybe some onions, you will have the more authentic ‘street taco’, as opposed to the fast food ‘soft taco’ (seasoned ground beef, lettuce, tomatos, shredded cheese).
And yes, I have heard that Mexican food – *real* Mexican food – is almost unheard of in the UK. A great tragedy, really. It’s not like it’s hard to make.
The joke is on you. Taco is not a thing in this country. I’m not even sure where or how I would get one. No, I don’t know what I’m missing. But neither do you ;p
Damm you Willis! Now I want tacos!
Weirdest thing, I was actually thinking tacos last night before this update hit. Well, that and I normally do tacos on Fridays, but the coincidence is a puzzler.
Tacos fuel my life.
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Had my Tacos, Korean but tacos. Why do I think the guy (or lady) in the car that picked up Dove actually has a beef with Pops and the store?
Meh, Ren Faire this weekend, so I’ll have plenty of other delicious food options. Thanks anyway for the (semi-subliminal) suggestion.
Psst… roast turkey leg tacos…
Nice try. One of the booths at the fairs in this area does a mean gyro, so that’s about as close as I’d get.
… Pretty much as a rule, in fact.
I’m making a taco lasagna. Picante and salsa layered with tortillas, cheese, shredded chicken and taco meat, olives, refried beans. If you take no advice from a guy actually named after tacos, take this: It’s even better than you think it is.
Sounds interesting. I’m guessing you cook the meats ahead of time, then maybe put everything in for a short bake to heat it?
I have passed the test. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Sam….
+1
Well done.
Yeah sometimes with some PCs you just have a strong desire to just fucking ruin them.
Luckily as the DM its still within your powers even if you dont cheat.
Some people may disagree. Unfortunately, I’ve watched players claim that a DM is doing nothing but cheating, just because the DM fudges a roll or two in order to push the story in a different direction.
I’ve known players that demand all rolls made by the DM are visible to everyone.
It’s all just really depends on the players and the DM.
I’m the kind of person that prefers all rolls made visibly to the table. But I also don’t mind my PC getting killed as long as I can reasonably bring in another PC. I also tend to run campaigns where PC death will only be a minor set back for the main plot and only monkey wrenches the sub-plots and/or Character Plots.
I don’t get why people feel they need to hide things or accuse others. If you are gonna fudge it you will fudge it regardless. I will admit I have fudged a bit but typically I only do it if absolutely necessary. Say a PC is gonna die I. One hit from a lowly peon or such I will instead reduce them to 1 HP or so. Especially if it is a game like L5R where it could happen even to a higher ‘level’ PC.
There is something to be said as a GM in hiding some rolls. There are times when you may not want the PCs to know if they have won a contested roll, when it is something that isn’t as obvious that you won.
I’ve had players do that. Immediately booted them, because I won’t run for people who accuse me of cheating. Rest of the party had no problem, but then again the rest of my party would trust me to do all of the rolling myself. In the end, I tell a good story. Yeah, every gm fudges a number here or there. I’ve been known to do it to avoid TPK or make a scene more cinematic. Never to screw over a player tho, no good gm would ever do that. In the end, the gm is there to provide the players with a fun experience. Why you’d wanna insult someone for just trying to give you a good time is beyond me, and it’s *always* the players that’ve never ran a campaign before that do it.
As a Game Master, I’ve been known to fudge rolls on occasion. However, the roll has to meet two criteria for that to happen;
1- The roll has to be for something incredibly well thought out, important, or ballsy (but not suicidally so; I reward daring, not stupidity). And I openly admit to my players that playing to the Rule of Cool does wonders with me.
2- It HAS to be within 2, 3 at the ABSOLUTE most, of what they actually needed. I don’t fudge 2s into 20s, bar none.
And while I have been known to bring some doom down on someone to keep them in line or shut them up if they start to get out of hand with OOC talk, I do it on things that don’t require rolls.
I really think it depends on the GM in question. Some people prioritize professionalism and integrity above all else, others put more of their eggs in having a good time and making things interesting. I like to think we all have our quirks, and the trick is finding a group that rolls with them.
Nice…
I’m not sure why…But I think I’m gonna get some tacos tomorrow.
I will admit as a GM i frequently want to cheat to make things harder for my players or just to kill them. I am honest with them about this too, and will tell them i want to but don’t, if things that should be hard are going hard I even ask the party would they mind if i cheat my rolls to make it harder on the players. I am too nice a GM
Me too. I’m too nice and don’t make it tough enough.
I usually give my players this option.
simple and easy
or evil twisted game
pop’s expression in the last panel is priceless
I’m from South Texas. I eat tacos everyday
I eat tacos a lot. I’m from Arizona, heh.
South Texas as in San Antonio, or South Texas as in Laredo….
South of San Antonio…..just a bit
Come on. Do you honestly need to cheat your readers by abusing Copy-and-Paste like this? And no, adding “shrugs” while not adjusting the sleeves or anything else in panel 3 does not make this not CaP. It’s three panels. Three. Mix things up. Expand your artistic horizons. Go with different camera angles and the like.
Seriously. CaP cheats both your readers, and yourself; this shortcut ultimately hurts your artistic improvement.
Sorry to let you down, Tangent. I seem to do that more often than not. I’ll take what you said to heart and try to be better.
If you let me down more often than not, I’d not read. I enjoy your comic, trust me.
CaP for me is a sore point. I scold all cartoonists (whether on my currently-defunct site or on their chatboards) when they abuse it. I comment on it when I see it intelligently used but still suggest against it. To me, each time you reuse art, you’re not drawing and improving your skill. And that improvement helps refine art and also leads to faster draw-times eventually.
I spend Tuesdays, Thursdays, and weekends in anticipation of reading this comic, and though I’ve never played a single second of D&D in my life, having read this comic I’ve gone from thinking it was a good thing to feeling that I’ve really missed out. For every stuffy, entitled nitwit out there who looks at this comic and only sees the flaws, please know that there is a far greater audience that you are genuinely entertaining.
Could I request you DON’T take it to heart?
The simplicity of the differences between the three panels focuses the attention on the emotions expressed by the specific differences between each panel. It communicates the intensity of the whole exchange, by avoiding any extraneous details.
What would it add to the scene by having Sam (and/or his father) moving around, or waving his arms around, or any other superfluous changes that could have been added between panels?
So, in my (less humble than it probably should be) opinion: you did exactly as much detail as you needed and no more, and it works. Keep doing that, don’t change!
*snorts* I’m just a reviewer. My opinions are just that. Opinions. I strive to encourage the improvement of the genre but I also tell people to make their own opinions. All I do is get the word out and start dialogues.
There are very successful CaP comics out there. I don’t like them, but other people do. To each their own.
Keeping it like this shows the emotional tension between the 2 of them. Sam is initially angry at being confronted. Then as his dad stares at him resigned and guilty as he admits wanting to cheat. I can’t really read his dad’s expression in the last panel. So much cut and paste says to the readers that no one is walking anywhere and draws attention to their faces which are the most important things in each panel.
If Brian did this often your interpretation would be correct but he only does it when it is needed to get the full meaning across and probably less often than he could get away with.
I’d say the expression in the third panel is surprise, not so much that Sam wanted to cheat (I think we all do at times for one reason or another), but the honesty and vulnerability that Sam’s showing.
Totally agree. I think when used sparingly, a strip like this where only a few things (especially faces) really change can be a lot more powerful. It forces you to focus on the faces and emotions. I wouldn’t want this every time, but I think it works really well here.
When you are dealing with a scene like this, I don’t really think hand-drawing every single frame is needed. While I am no artist myself, mostly because I have the hand-eye coordination of a drunken lemur, my sister and her husband are both artists, as is one of my closest friends. I know real artists will take shortcuts if they can, especially if the impact of the piece isn’t diluted by the shortcut. Does the aesthetic quality of the piece suffer? Perhaps, but the message isn’t lost, nor is the impact. Plus, we, as readers, need to respect the fact that the artist has a job and that this comic is a project he’s doing in his free time for fun. While it is nice to see the artist improve (I know I’ve been impressed with the evolution of the art during my two archive dives), I would rather he has the time to advance the story than spend time re-drawing something he could shortcut. Less burnout, that way.
^ That. That all day. I work with audio and I can tell you that *every*single*album* you listen to is not as organic and live as you’d think. Copy and paste is not only common, but blatant and right under your nose. I guess my point here is that, like Queek, I don’t feel that a shortcut (especially one I didn’t even notice until it was pointed out) is necessarily a bad thing when it comes to an artform – as long as the end product isn’t diminished in the process.
These strips are NEVER diminished by procedure, from what I’ve seen. The focus is always on the story — just the way it should be. 🙂
here here. Agree 100%
In the case of audio and video, what you are talking about is editing, not CaP. A perfect example of the use of editing to craft similar panels was done in Penny and Aggy when the cartoonist copied the character outline and the background details but then proceeded to draw four panels depicting the changing of seasons and the person stuck there standing in shock. (It was for humor.) Each panel was different, but still used that core element that was repeated.
Similarly, the backgrounds for Questionable Content are pre-drawn (as are many backgrounds in El Goonish Shive). Those are aspects of CaP that are used to good effect without looking like obvious CaP.
Altering eyes, eyebrows, and the mouth is not an effective use of CaP. It is the abuse of it. Given two updates back you had one basic panel used six times (with redrawn hand and a limo “blocking” Dove’s lower half), and this isn’t a one-time occurrence.
I think you might be overreacting a little Tangent. Yes, Copying & Pasting can hurt a piece (especially if that piece is trying to show dynamic movement or action). However, I feel like its an acceptable shortcut for a strip where two characters are only talking and not really moving a whole lot (which this one is). The trick is to make sure you add enough changes to obscure the shortcut, which I feel Brian did. He changed the facial expressions enough to depict the ongoing conversation and the character’s emotional reactions to each statement. Heck, I didn’t even think about this being a CaP situation until you brought it up and I can probably guess I’m not the only one.
I seriously don’t get what your problem is, Tangent…
Nearly every comment you make does nothing but tear down the comic or overly criticize something so minute, I can’t imagine the intention being anything other than just plan hurtful and trollish. Why do you even come here?
You’ve got no right to comment on Brian’s “artistic improvement” he’s the professional. He does this stuff for a living… And you (and we) are not being cheated. You paid nothing to read this comic. Drop some of that entitlement.
People come to this site to be entertained…for free….if you’re not entertained, stop coming. Don’t tear the artist down. You’re not helping him become better…You make him question what he’s doing and if it’s worth the hassle of putting up with people like you. It makes it harder for him to create the content the majority of us actually look forward to.
TL;DR:
Eff off already.
Fuck, seconded.
HEY Tangent!
Go kiss an Owlbear you Troll!
We don’t need your flapping gums.
It has been moved and seconded that Tangent “Eff off already”.
All in favor?
I’d not comment on the comic if I didn’t think the cartoonist couldn’t improve. Trust me, I used to tear into EGS something fierce.
The thing to consider is this: I have not said anything derogatory about the cartoonist. I have not stated that his art sucks (it does not), or that he should quit (he should not). So what you are doing is telling someone who is offering constructive criticism that ultimately would be to the comic’s benefit and provide you with a better product to “fuck off.”
That leaves just people afraid to say anything negative to heap false praise on the comic, and those who live to hate and never say anything decent about it.
I very much doubt your little hate-on about me will drive me off, since I frankly don’t give a shit what anything online thinks about me. All I care about is the comics, and watching them become a serious media worthy of introspect, proper criticism, and profitability for the cartoonists.
So say we all.
Seriously, they’re in a tense conversation. Wtf else are they supposed to be doing, pinwheeling their arms around like they’re trying to achieve enough velocity to generate lift? The YMCA? Masturbating?
Comic’s fine, I hate people that micromanage other people’s art. This is a *common* technique in comics, when you’re trying to emphasize the faces and the words.
I ain’t even gonna get into the “It’s free, stop bitching” argument, because I feel it’s pretty fallacious. But even on its face, every single newspaper comic employs this gimmick. He’s doing what the pros do, and note that only one person is pedantic enough to complain about this.
Just because it’s common doesn’t mean it’s good.
Marvel abuses CaP constantly. Those are “professional” paid cartoonists who are taking shortcuts because what matters to Marvel is time constraints, not professionalism. And that is just part of the reason why Marvel and DC comics aren’t as good as webcomics.
Thank you for enlightening us all with your profound insight into the comic making process, Tangent. I’m sure we would all love for you to share with us your elaborately hand drawn web comic so that we can see how the medium is handled by a true master of the craft. I honestly don’t know why you keep coming back to this godforsaken page. It’s obvious that Mr. Patterson has no interest in bettering himself or his readers by taking your advise. But I applaud you for having the fortitude to endure this drivel day after day, knowing that the author isn’t spending every waking moment trying to make you happy.
Oh, and… piss off, Tangent. Do you have any idea how much effort it takes to produce this comic 3 times a week; all while working a full-time job, trying to sell a house, and creating a game setting? What gives you the right to complain about a couple of reused panels? Every comic does it. Even mass produced printed comics. It doesn’t make Brian less of an artist. It makes him a smarter one for knowing how to produce a good comic in a more efficient way. A way that allows him to live his life, and still give us 3 strips a week to enjoy. So how about working a little empathy into your critical commentaries.
You ask what gives him the right? The exact same right you have to rip into him. That little “Post Comment” button at the bottom of the page.
Now I see where the inspiration for Philip Dove came from. Tangent’s website is dedicated to “reviewing” web comics. There is not a single comment on any of his reviews. Either he hass disabled the comments section or noone cares what he thinks. Even the photo he posted of himself on his LiveJournal looks a little like Dove.
The original two Tangents sites were HTML-based. I had years of reviews on them before switching to WordPress. The third was hacked by Russians and has embedded malware lurking somewhere in it. The version with the link above is in the beginning-reconstruction phase, but has been stuck there when the person who I paid to work on my website had to move (and Elder Scrolls Online came out, which is a significant time-sink).
And yes, I’ve comments disabled on the two WordPress sites; the first to try and prevent more malware from being installed through the comments field, and the second because there’s no point in allowing comments if I end up abandoning ComicPress and use a regular WordPress template instead.
Oh, and I started reviewing back in 2005. The archives are bloody huge and seeing that the other WordPress site is suspect I need to input everything by hand. Again.
Sorry, I’ve got to stop posting shit when I haven’t had any sleep. Not that it excuses my venom towards someone I don’t even know. In all honesty, your opening comment does come off a bit confrontational and slightly jerk-ish. but once you explained your reasoning a bit below, it was for more reasonable sounding. Once again I apologize for my part in what I now regret and perceive as a major overreaction to a comment intended to help.
Tangent,
I hate to break this to you, but you aren’t the smartest guy in the room. You’re articulate, but you’re socially tone-deaf. This is not your house. It is Brian’s, and the fact that he’s being polite is less about your opinions being important and more about him being patient. You have your own website. Why don’t you review D2M there?
This isn’t your house either. I know if one of my guests tried to throw out another of my guests, I’d be fucking pissed.
In my group, the GM is always right. She may occasionally change the outcome of a roll or give a bonus here and there, but it’s all in the name of the story.
I won’t be having tacos. Tacos are hard to make when you’re camping. I’ll instead be up around 6000 elevation in the woods drinking a couple stouts and porters. And eating chicken instead.
Nah. Hobo pouch! Chop chicken and some veggies, green chiles and maybe some chipotles and lime juice and such, in an aluminium pouch. Throw it on the camp fire for like 10 minutes, unfold the pouch, spoon into tortillas. Boom, camping tacos. Easy peasy.
the tricky part is transporting your meaty goodness in a manner that does not produce nasty tummy gurgles. When you are several miles from a ‘real’ toilet, and your supply of TP is limited, this can become an issue.
Fortunately, canned chicken is a thing, and packs well for tasty camping fare. I’ve had some damn good chicken fettucini alfredo that way, using powdered milk in the sauce, as well.
Also, every camper’s bag should include a bottle of tabasco, rooster sauce, or other hot sauce, as it can make even the worst camp cooking edible. Thus tacos become easier peasier.
The only time I’ve fudged a roll was when a spell from a pretty powerful enemy would’ve instantly killed its target. Instead I dropped him to 1 wound and let him carry on.
I actually fudged my OWN roll once as a player on the LOW side. there was a new player, guy we had just gotten to the unit recently, total introvert type. I maaaaaay have lied about a roll so he could have the spotlight, have an epic 1v1 duel with the “Villain of the Week” and be hailed as a hero.
my guy was a paladin of Desna, he didn’t need none of that, just a paycheck. plus, the extra XP brought him up to the rest of us, and he was a solid member of the team. we also learned that knife-fighter rogue/ninja gestalts are hilarious. d8 sneak attacks anyone?
am I the only one waiting for Brett-a Claus to show up with dove’s name on the naughty list with Reason: Cheating at Karthun, Generalized Doucebaggery Towards a Lady on it?
Brett only as access to people who believe in Santa, I don’t think Dove is a believer
Okay I think I finally got it, only one of the reply button work for a direct replys. Noted. So as I was saying (sorry for the double post):
Brett only as access to people who believe in Santa, I don’t think Dove is a believer
And I used the wrong button… *groans*
Wanted to cheat…
WANTED TO…
But didnt.
that Sam is the difference.
Whereas Dove likely cheated and then lied to get away from its consequences, and then played the role of the indignant, ‘wronged’ individual.
the best way to resolve the issue, would be to reset the event, undo the conclusion, but insist on using phillips dice (including the one dallas was rolling, or at least ‘said’ was his) and make all of his rolls public.
this would either A) allow for total transparency on Sam’s part, and if he’s rolling 20’s for ‘divine intervention’ when Lorewise its stated that the chainlord HAS decendants, would would imply that Dallas took a feat/was a worshipper of Valkyr.
there ARE rules in every edition, where clerics/worshippers have a CHANCE that a prayer is heard, and someone is sent to aid (usually a planar ally) and VERY rarely an avatar which is used as a deus ex moment.
now B-side, is the funny part. if Dove’s dice WEREN’t Rigged (as he says) the next part, is that if Dove protests when the dice rolls 20 after 20 for all of Sam’s rolls (as in theory a dice should NOT be rolling that hot, which is why everyone suspects Dove of Cheating) that he has to admit that the die is his, which goes back to the saying ‘the proof is in the puddin’
likewise, plan C) the whole event is scrapped for ‘investigating a potential wrongdoing’ in which the gm’s guild takes everything as evidence. and they can run an independant study. and if THEY find that Dove’s d20 is rolling too many 20’s it will lead to even more hijinks.
It really doesn’t matter at this point whether he cheated or not; ol’ Pigeon got booted for his conduct at the table after he was given fair warning that his attitude won’t be tolerated.
sam’s costume is definitely some sort of vestments and grudgy sam had a pretty heavy cultist vibe. so when is he going to start a gaming religion?
a la C.A.D.’s Wintereenmas?
I understand his Father needing to ask, but that still has to hurt Sam. That his own Father would think he would cheat in a situation like this. And you could see it in his expression, it wasn’t a “I need to just ask and get it out of the way”, question. He gave it serious credence. It never feels good to know someone you care about thinks you capable of being a cheater.
This is the family business on the line. Ethics are critical. Also, Pops has to be serious, because the it shows how seriously Sam’s been raised. The answer is important, not pro forma, because it challenges Sam to know himself. The third panel validates that.Pop’s is forcing the conflict out not the truth.
Pops has been behind the screen. He has gamed with people like Dove. He may even have gamed with Dove. He knows too well the temptation, and the price for falling that path.
There is not a GM alive who has not ‘fudged’ a roll here and there. But there is a difference between that and ‘cheating’. A fudged roll is done to advance the story, to make things happen better. To prevent a villian from slaying a hero outright in one hit, or the hero slaying the villian in one hit.
The fun and entertainment of the players should always be the primary goal. To fudge a die against that goal – THAT is ‘cheating’.
In a tournament context, I’d say that even that level of fudging should be verboten.
I know of dmsthat cheat in favor of the players as well as against them to get the story going the way they planned
As I said in the last Dove strip, how you answer a yes or no question sometimes says more than what you answer. Each of them were asked the same question. “No!” is a clear, direct response, and indicates honesty, even divorced from the rest of this strip. Dove’s answer was a deflection, and indicates he wasn’t entirely truthful.
BAM!
Have my internet babies.
Come to the dark side, Sam. You know you want it.
Yes, yes, Sam, let the hate flow through you.
I just read the entirety of your comic over the course of roughly 30 hours. Sir this is magnificent, and inspires me to delve into new worlds with hope and interest. I look forward to your continued genius and pray for your health. Good luck, and happy writing.
Personally, I can’t fathom this happening… DMs can’t cheat, as a matter of law; They make the rules themselves, are welcome to change them at will, and have no obligation to be fair, unbiased, or otherwise not amuse themselves with your demise, suffering, or otherwise. It’s in the 1.0 DMG, and it’s in pretty much every system thereafter, explicitly stated (Though I’ll still say the best wording is in HoL, I digress).
The best know when to be fair and when not to, sure, but it’s not “cheating” by any means. If the dice hit the table, I can freely say they were something different, and if someone like Dove were to argue, I’d eject him from my game (though usually I’d just tell what the roll was, or the outcome, instead of having it be rolled at all).
Mmm… that’s maybe true at a for fun game at home, and I know a number of players would disagree with it anyway.
But this was a game at a store, that people paid to compete in, for a prize. I imagine there were probably some set rules for the GMs to follow.
> Mmm… that’s maybe true at a for fun game at home, and I know a number of players would disagree with it anyway.
Tell them to read the manuals, then.
> But this was a game at a store, that people paid to compete in, for a prize. I imagine there were probably some set rules for the GMs to follow.
That it was in a store, and they let Dove in, says more about the store than I could, but perhaps that’s off point.
More the case is that he’s still fair, because he’s a good DM, but he should feel welcome to do as he pleases if it improves the game. Dove’s a dick, and ejecting him would’ve caused him to get a refund; better just to force a loss than kick him. 86ing him later is more the proper move.
But then, I’m one who frowns on DMs that reward luck over style and cunning anyway…
For an official competitive game or organised play scenario there has to be clearly defined rules that aren’t subject to the GMs whimsy. Basically Rule 0 is removed during those games, so that everyone has a fair chance and there will be minimal table variation on rulings. Consider that in the early stages of the Dungeon Run there were several GMs… if they’re allowed to fudge rolls in the interests of ‘story’, and one GM is far more lenient than the others, that’d be unfair on the other tables.
Mostly, what Tinker said. They’re -paying- to compete for a prize. The GM in these cases pretty much has their wiggle room taken away because they could use it to their advantage, and play favorites, which is what Pops is asking Sam. Dove might be the biggest douche this side of the nine realms, but he still paid to compete and be treated fairly just like everyone else.
Similar to the point where Pops was in the game he was with them, Sam had to be fair and put aside his personal feelings. Right up until they stepped over the line out of character, and they were kicked. Only real difference was, Dove had already lost by the time that he was removed.
Rule 0 is there to have the GM protect the players, if it’s better for them, and continue the story, if it’s better for the players, in the name of having fun. Rule 0 isn’t there to be grudgy, particularly in a game where there’s something physical on the line. Story is fine and all, but this wasn’t a game about story. Was there story present? Yes. Was it the focus? No.
man for some odd reason i feel it would be so easy to see Sam as the old one between these two, switch their hair colors and bam sam looks really old lol, dming i guess adds a few years or so lmao
DM-ing, not so much. DM-ing for Dove? That adds 10 years per encounter. Add the stress of the cheating allegations (on both sides) and the out-of-game shenanigans, and you know Sam got an extra 30+ years added on tonight.
#tacosforworldpeace